So having an iPod is cool and having a ride is cool. Now it is supremely cool if they work well together. My stipulations here are:
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- The iPod must use the line out from the iPod dock adapter
- The iPod must be charging while plugged into the car
- There must not be a mess of wires connecting everything to the iPod, ideally one dock adapter nothing more
I have a GM with an aftermarket panasonic deck. The deck works well and I have no problem with it except that it doesn't have an aux in and it is too old to support iPod connectors.
Now--for those of you who are about to scream FM transmitter just shut up and sit back down. I don't want an FM transmitter because I have heard many horror stories or poor audio quality, signal dropping and having to change radio stations when driving around. More importantly though I do not want a mess of wires (see above!) that i would get from having an FM transmitter and a car adapter to charge.
So barring the FM option I starting looking into my options. The panasonic has a CD changer input on the back, but it is only enabled when there is a cd changer there. Since I don't have one I looked around on the net for hacks and found the panasonic cdchanger emulator (http://www.lafrog.com/cdcemu/). However when it arrived it didn't work as expected, actually it didn't work at all. The maker offered to refund the money if I shipped it back but I would like to reprogram the PIC to try a few things first. I don't have an in-circuit pic programmer and I don't really have time to build one now so I am going to shelve this options for the time being. Keep in mind though that this is only a temporary solution until I get my aftermarket deck working.
Hacking the Delco
I had a long trip up to Manitoulin island and back and I definitely wanted to iPod to work for that trip so I pulled out my old factory deck, a beastly old delco jobby. Unlike my panasonic, however, the delco was made with non-surface mount components and solid connectors that I can hack away at. [I am adept at soldering, but I am scared of anything surface mount.]
So my old delco has an AM/FM radio and a cassette deck but no aux inputs. I thought to myself, who the heck actually uses cassette decks anymore. Since I am the principle user and I answered 'not me', I saw fit to begin my investigation there.
The first thing I looked at was the outputs from the magnetic head reader. Following these inputs on the circuit board, they lead directly to a Toshiba 2025p preamplifier IC. Looking up the specs I quickly found the outputs from the preamp and followed them through the cassete subsystem.
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The cassette deck subsystem is connected to the main deck by 10 wires. These wires convey audio information and information to from the deck controls. The two outputs from the preamp also go through this connector. This is the point where I decided to hack my ipod connector in. As a test I let the deck play a cassette while I cut the two wires, allowing me to verify that a) the sound disappered when the wires were cut, and b) which was left and which was right.
Now that I had two inputs I took a small 3.5mm (headphone jack) extension and wired that in. By the end I had a small auxillary jack at the back of my stereo. This accomplished one of my goals. I could not play music from my iPod through my car stereo via the *new* aux connector on the back.
Now there is something funny to be said about this method. I haven't bothered to figure out how the circuit passes control to the tape deck yet, so if you want to listen to the iPod you have to pop a tape in. I think it is kinda funny personally so I will probably leave it that way. I doubt I'll put any more effort into it considering this is really just a stop gap until I get my aftermarket deck working with my iPod.
Charging and Using the iPod's Line Out
So far I have no more than a few dollars and an hour's time invested in this project. Unfortunately you can't build a dock connector so I had to buy one. I bought a belkin autokit off ebay for around $20. This is a cigarette lighter adapter that charges the iPod and provides a line out. Perfect for what I wanted and it is black so it blends in well with my truck interior.
Belkin AutoKit properly shelled (It is so nice of them to label their PCB so clearly!)
Belkin AutoKit wired into the 12v inswitched feed
So now my task is to hook the belkin autokit into the wiring harness behind my deck. The audio out is the easy task, the belkin adapter has a built in line out with preamp so I can adjust the iPod's volume to match the FM stereo's volume. All I had to do was use a short male-male adapter to plug it into my *new* aux in.
The power source was also fairly easy. cigarette lighters run on 12v (give or take ;-) ) and there is a 12v unswitched lead on the car audio wiring harness. So I simply connected the 12v feed to the 12v in on the belkin adapter, taking care to put a 2amp fuse inline to prevent damage.
Once all the wiring was completed I simply placed the autokit circuit and an extra wires in an old static protection bag and tucked them away behind the deck. The belkin dock connector I fed behind the dash and under in a small storage area in the dash, perfect for an iPod!
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So that is all there is to it. I now have a a single black dock connector in a storage space in the dash. I just plug my iPod in (with the required cassette tape!), and it plays and charges like is was meant to be there.
I will post more pictures soon.
You could just use an FM modulator and hard-wire an iPod charging cable with a line-out jack right to a 15 amp fuse in your fuse box, and keep the whole mess behind the dash, so all that sticks out is the dock connector. Then you'd also keep your cigarette lighter free, to--say--light your cigarettes.
The current system only has a dock connector. I hacked apart the belkin charger and that lives behind the stereo wired into the unswitched 12v feed (appropriately fused). I don't have an fm modulator so I just hardwired it into the stereo, really it only took a couple hours with a soldering iron and a multimeter. I'll try to post more pictures so you can see what I mean.
You know you could have just used a tape adapter...
Perfect sound quality, better than FM Modulator..
They are only $5-$10
Also the tape head directly can be wired up Left/Right Audio...Nobody thinks of that ofcourse lol
Nothing beats a good old $300 Pioneer Stereo with an Ipod adapter tho haha
thanks,useful information .
There must not be a mess of wires connecting everything to the iPod, ideally one dock adapter nothing more
thanks..
This seems very complicated, but the post is very interesting and straightforward. If I ever decided to do this, I'll know where to look.
@Honda FTW - uh, no tape adapters do not sound 'perfect'. To anyone who is into audio they sound pretty bad. Better than a regular FM modulator though. An inline modulator is better than either of them, but tapping into the radio amp itself (as this blog article is about) will provide the best quality you can get.
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出会いについて出てきますね。
出会い関する歌も沢山ありますね。
出会いの数だけ別れはふえる。
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出会いたい運命の人によく運命の人に
出会いたいという人がいますが
出会いは自分で掴み取るものなのです。
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出会いをつかめるかどうか運命の人と
出会いたいあなにお勧めです。
出会いは偶然では出会えないのです。貴方自信で
出会いを生みましょう
出会いをつかめる人間の特徴としては
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出会いを見つけたときの反応はすごい
出会いを見つけれられる人間にならないかい？
出会いはすぐそのこにあるのだよ。
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